Comments on: Did You Get “Expelled?” http://christianmovienews.com/did-you-get-expelled/ An ongoing dialogue about faith and film. Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:20:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Leslie I T Assih http://christianmovienews.com/did-you-get-expelled/#comment-5874 Leslie I T Assih Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:34:42 +0000 http://christianmovienews.com/did-you-get-expelled/#comment-5874 Well put. I just think we can't grasp the idea of eternity before the world began & after it is renewed for an eternal state. It is quite literally impossible to comprehend it just as wisely stated by Solomon "Also He has put eternity in their hearts [men], except that no one can find out the work that God does from beginning to end." and "This reminded me that no one can discover everything God has created in our world, no matter how hard they work at it. Not even the wisest people know everything, even if they say they do." In conclusion Job said "He does great things which we cannot comprehend." Well put. I just think we can’t grasp the idea of eternity before the world began & after it is renewed for an eternal state. It is quite literally impossible to comprehend it just as wisely stated by Solomon “Also He has put eternity in their hearts [men], except that no one can find out the work that God does from beginning to end.” and “This reminded me that no one can discover everything God has created in our world, no matter how hard they work at it. Not even the wisest people know everything, even if they say they do.” In conclusion Job said “He does great things which we cannot comprehend.”

]]> By: Peter T Chattaway http://christianmovienews.com/did-you-get-expelled/#comment-5873 Peter T Chattaway Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:16:30 +0000 http://christianmovienews.com/did-you-get-expelled/#comment-5873 Ah, well, here's the thing. If time is part of the physical universe, then in a sense, the universe has "always" been here too. That doesn't make it "eternal" or infinite in the same sense that God is, but it does suggest that, if God has always been Creator, then there has always been Creation. Either way, the point remains: Whether you are a theist or an atheist, some things have simply always been, and no matter how far up the chain you go, at some point you can't ask "where did this come from?" any more. (Well, you can ask, but there won't be an answer, because the question won't apply.) Ah, well, here’s the thing. If time is part of the physical universe, then in a sense, the universe has “always” been here too. That doesn’t make it “eternal” or infinite in the same sense that God is, but it does suggest that, if God has always been Creator, then there has always been Creation. Either way, the point remains: Whether you are a theist or an atheist, some things have simply always been, and no matter how far up the chain you go, at some point you can’t ask “where did this come from?” any more. (Well, you can ask, but there won’t be an answer, because the question won’t apply.)

]]> By: cs http://christianmovienews.com/did-you-get-expelled/#comment-5872 cs Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:48:41 +0000 http://christianmovienews.com/did-you-get-expelled/#comment-5872 Hubby He Man and I are looking forward to seeing it. We just found out that Darwinism all started from Darwin having a bitter heart against God because his beloved daughter died. At the time this happened, Darwin was actually studying to become a pastor/minister in his town. The shock from losing his daughter sent him into a tailspin, hence the nosedive into "science". His bitterness led the way into his atheism. We found this very interesting. Blessings Hubby He Man and I are looking forward to seeing it. We just found out that Darwinism all started from Darwin having a bitter heart against God because his beloved daughter died. At the time this happened, Darwin was actually studying to become a pastor/minister in his town. The shock from losing his daughter sent him into a tailspin, hence the nosedive into “science”. His bitterness led the way into his atheism. We found this very interesting.
Blessings

]]> By: Leslie I T Assih http://christianmovienews.com/did-you-get-expelled/#comment-5869 Leslie I T Assih Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:23:28 +0000 http://christianmovienews.com/did-you-get-expelled/#comment-5869 I have not seen the movie yet but in reference to Peter Chattaway's question where does God come from? It is due to our very limited finite understanding of an infinite Being Who lives in eternity and is not subject to time that completely loses everything we can comprehend about God. Once something is visible/physical and can be felt with the senses it is subject to expiry no matter how long it may live. Time has been proven to be a physical matter and that it is why winding down (the days may be appearing to be going faster but actually it is just coming to an end) - I wonder why? I have not seen the movie yet but in reference to Peter Chattaway’s question where does God come from? It is due to our very limited finite understanding of an infinite Being Who lives in eternity and is not subject to time that completely loses everything we can comprehend about God. Once something is visible/physical and can be felt with the senses it is subject to expiry no matter how long it may live. Time has been proven to be a physical matter and that it is why winding down (the days may be appearing to be going faster but actually it is just coming to an end) - I wonder why?

]]> By: Peter T Chattaway http://christianmovienews.com/did-you-get-expelled/#comment-5813 Peter T Chattaway Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:36:02 +0000 http://christianmovienews.com/did-you-get-expelled/#comment-5813 I'm not sure he actually <i>is</i> a scientist, technically speaking; if memory serves, the person who talks about the crystals is Michael Ruse, who is a <i>philosopher</i> who specializes in biological issues. (Ruse is, in fact, scorned by some evolutionary types for being relatively friendly to Christians and even ID theorists.) But yeah, he could have done a much better job of explaining the theory than he did in that one very brief clip. I’m not sure he actually is a scientist, technically speaking; if memory serves, the person who talks about the crystals is Michael Ruse, who is a philosopher who specializes in biological issues. (Ruse is, in fact, scorned by some evolutionary types for being relatively friendly to Christians and even ID theorists.) But yeah, he could have done a much better job of explaining the theory than he did in that one very brief clip.

]]> By: Angela Walker http://christianmovienews.com/did-you-get-expelled/#comment-5812 Angela Walker Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:26:30 +0000 http://christianmovienews.com/did-you-get-expelled/#comment-5812 The mockery was unnecessary, just as the scientist's condescending tone verbalization of his theory was unnecessary. Clear case of 2 wrongs not making a right. That episode, among many others, really emphasized to me that when your beginning point of reference is so radically different, reaching agreement is impossible without someone converting over to another's point of reference. The mockery was unnecessary, just as the scientist’s condescending tone verbalization of his theory was unnecessary. Clear case of 2 wrongs not making a right.

That episode, among many others, really emphasized to me that when your beginning point of reference is so radically different, reaching agreement is impossible without someone converting over to another’s point of reference.

]]> By: Peter T Chattaway http://christianmovienews.com/did-you-get-expelled/#comment-5810 Peter T Chattaway Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:13:53 +0000 http://christianmovienews.com/did-you-get-expelled/#comment-5810 The thing about the crystals isn't so odd, and it's a shame the movie mocked it the way it did. Scientists, Christian and otherwise, have often pointed to crystals as an example of order coming out of chaos -- the very thing that some creationists say never happens -- and it makes sense that crystals might have played some part in the rise of biological order, too. As for where the crystal "came from" ... well, where did God "come from"? Ultimately, whether we stop with the Creator or Creation, we have to accept the fact that some things just <i>are</i>. The thing about the crystals isn’t so odd, and it’s a shame the movie mocked it the way it did. Scientists, Christian and otherwise, have often pointed to crystals as an example of order coming out of chaos — the very thing that some creationists say never happens — and it makes sense that crystals might have played some part in the rise of biological order, too.

As for where the crystal “came from” … well, where did God “come from”? Ultimately, whether we stop with the Creator or Creation, we have to accept the fact that some things just are.

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