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	<title>Comments on: Christian Horror: &#8220;House&#8221; [the film] and Other Oxymorons</title>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
		<link>http://christianmovienews.com/christian-horror-house-the-film-and-other-oxymorons/#comment-21026</link>
		<author>Noah</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS let me rephrase part of what I said: 'the verse is encouraging people who don't commit evil and is exposing the 'sinners of Zion' those who are enticed to take bribes, kill, steal etc.  

GK chesterton the christian author said: "if the characters are not wicked, the book is."

We are called as christians to expose the deeds of darkness.  You dont have to show excessive gore etc but to pretend there is no evil supernatural or otherwise goes against what the scriptures say.   Stop taking away what the plain words of Isaiah are saying. Its comdemming people who DO evil (read the whole section and read the hebrew and septugiant greek if you need to (yes I do that)).  Its saying:
"The individuals who can live here are those who are honest and fair, who reject making a profit by fraud, who stay far away from bribes, who refuse to listen to those who think to  murder, who shut their eyes to all requests to do wrong."

 
and note to Mechka above:  testify!  you are right on.  

Pietism is not holy people it only pretends to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS let me rephrase part of what I said: &#8216;the verse is encouraging people who don&#8217;t commit evil and is exposing the &#8217;sinners of Zion&#8217; those who are enticed to take bribes, kill, steal etc.  </p>
<p>GK chesterton the christian author said: &#8220;if the characters are not wicked, the book is.&#8221;</p>
<p>We are called as christians to expose the deeds of darkness.  You dont have to show excessive gore etc but to pretend there is no evil supernatural or otherwise goes against what the scriptures say.   Stop taking away what the plain words of Isaiah are saying. Its comdemming people who DO evil (read the whole section and read the hebrew and septugiant greek if you need to (yes I do that)).  Its saying:<br />
&#8220;The individuals who can live here are those who are honest and fair, who reject making a profit by fraud, who stay far away from bribes, who refuse to listen to those who think to  murder, who shut their eyes to all requests to do wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>and note to Mechka above:  testify!  you are right on.  </p>
<p>Pietism is not holy people it only pretends to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
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		<author>Noah</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reply to  above comment (reprinted here):

"Pr. Jon Post says: 
Isa. 33:14b-16a  is not talking about understanding or viewing evil (for we are called to expose deeds of the darkness)for if that was the case you could not even read the old testament (or the new) which is filled with all kinds of horrors.  The verse if you read the whole chapter and not quote a chopped up part of it is talking about people who dont COMMIT evil.   But if we pretend there is no supernatural evil and we leave the culture to the humanists dont complain that they glorify evil.  
The thing is to expose and teach using reality not pretend it is not there. But to do that you must allow Christian artists and writers to do their work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reply to  above comment (reprinted here):</p>
<p>&#8220;Pr. Jon Post says:<br />
Isa. 33:14b-16a  is not talking about understanding or viewing evil (for we are called to expose deeds of the darkness)for if that was the case you could not even read the old testament (or the new) which is filled with all kinds of horrors.  The verse if you read the whole chapter and not quote a chopped up part of it is talking about people who dont COMMIT evil.   But if we pretend there is no supernatural evil and we leave the culture to the humanists dont complain that they glorify evil.<br />
The thing is to expose and teach using reality not pretend it is not there. But to do that you must allow Christian artists and writers to do their work.</p>
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		<title>By: Antoinette Taylor</title>
		<link>http://christianmovienews.com/christian-horror-house-the-film-and-other-oxymorons/#comment-11089</link>
		<author>Antoinette Taylor</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 03:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think christian horror movies are a great idea. My point of view christian horror books and movies are a excellent idea. I have talked with so many non christians. Who often say the reason why they dont want to get saved is because its no fun. If they are a horror movie buff they get told you cant watch that movie any longer you cant read that book. Christian horrors lets the baby christians realise they still can enjoy the horror movies. But this time around it empowers them  what to do when they are faced with the darkness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think christian horror movies are a great idea. My point of view christian horror books and movies are a excellent idea. I have talked with so many non christians. Who often say the reason why they dont want to get saved is because its no fun. If they are a horror movie buff they get told you cant watch that movie any longer you cant read that book. Christian horrors lets the baby christians realise they still can enjoy the horror movies. But this time around it empowers them  what to do when they are faced with the darkness.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
		<link>http://christianmovienews.com/christian-horror-house-the-film-and-other-oxymorons/#comment-10458</link>
		<author>Angela</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the chance this weekend to interview Scott Derrickson, who I quoted in the original blog post &#38; who directed &lt;a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1259" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Exorcism of Emily Rose&lt;/a&gt;. Any specific questions you'd like to ask him? I'm glad to take your questions along with mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the chance this weekend to interview Scott Derrickson, who I quoted in the original blog post &amp; who directed <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1259" rel="nofollow">The Exorcism of Emily Rose</a>. Any specific questions you&#8217;d like to ask him? I&#8217;m glad to take your questions along with mine.</p>
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		<title>By: R-rated &#8220;House&#8221; Creates Quandary for Christian Filmgoers &#124; Decompose</title>
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		<author>R-rated &#8220;House&#8221; Creates Quandary for Christian Filmgoers &#124; Decompose</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For instance, the Christians in Cinema site framed the topic as inherently contradictory. In Christian Horror: House [the film] and Other Oxymorons, commentators lamented that what could have been &#8220;a slick Christian outreach video&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] For instance, the Christians in Cinema site framed the topic as inherently contradictory. In Christian Horror: House [the film] and Other Oxymorons, commentators lamented that what could have been &#8220;a slick Christian outreach video&#8221; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Mechka</title>
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		<author>Mechka</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now, dear brothers and sisters, one final thing. Fix your thoughts on what is true, and honorable, and right, and pure, and lovely, and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise. -Php 4:8 

And as Christians we must adhere to Biblical Wholesomeness:

"And she lusted after their paramours, whose flesh (meaning penises) is like the flesh of donkeys and whose issue (meaning semen) is like the issue of horses." Ezekiel 23:1-20 (By the way, this is God Himself speaking in this scripture)

"And Lot went up to Zoar, and stayed in the mountains, and his two daughters with him.... Then the firstborn said to the younger, 'Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come in to us after the manner of the earth. Come, let us make our father drink wine, and let us lie with him, that we may preserve our family through our father.' So they made their father drink wine that night, and the first-born went in and lay with her father; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose. And it came about on the morrow, that the first-born said to the younger, 'Behold, I lay last night with my father; let us make him drink wine tonight also; then you go in and lie with him, that we may preserve our family through our father.' So they made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger arose and lay with him; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose. Thus both the daughters of Lot were with child by their father." Genesis 19:30-36 

""While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, 'Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him.' The owner of the house went outside and said to them, 'No, my friends, don't be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this disgraceful thing. Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But to this man, don't do such a disgraceful thing.' But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, 'Get up; let's go.' But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home. When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel." Judges 19:22-29 

We must be pure like the word, stay in it where it for there are only pure and righteous imagery in the Bible. How about we get off of our hypocritical high horses and take a look at the Book we read from everyday before posting ignorance on forums about how Holy we are. 

The Bible has in your face sex, sexual imagery violence, gore and everything else. And the over all message: "God love us." Question, how many of you are running to get your Bibles because you think I made these scriptures up (because you only read the scripture you like anyway). Or how many are struggling with this suddenly though it's right there in the Word of God. Wake up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now, dear brothers and sisters, one final thing. Fix your thoughts on what is true, and honorable, and right, and pure, and lovely, and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise. -Php 4:8 </p>
<p>And as Christians we must adhere to Biblical Wholesomeness:</p>
<p>&#8220;And she lusted after their paramours, whose flesh (meaning penises) is like the flesh of donkeys and whose issue (meaning semen) is like the issue of horses.&#8221; Ezekiel 23:1-20 (By the way, this is God Himself speaking in this scripture)</p>
<p>&#8220;And Lot went up to Zoar, and stayed in the mountains, and his two daughters with him&#8230;. Then the firstborn said to the younger, &#8216;Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come in to us after the manner of the earth. Come, let us make our father drink wine, and let us lie with him, that we may preserve our family through our father.&#8217; So they made their father drink wine that night, and the first-born went in and lay with her father; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose. And it came about on the morrow, that the first-born said to the younger, &#8216;Behold, I lay last night with my father; let us make him drink wine tonight also; then you go in and lie with him, that we may preserve our family through our father.&#8217; So they made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger arose and lay with him; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose. Thus both the daughters of Lot were with child by their father.&#8221; Genesis 19:30-36 </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, &#8216;Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him.&#8217; The owner of the house went outside and said to them, &#8216;No, my friends, don&#8217;t be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don&#8217;t do this disgraceful thing. Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But to this man, don&#8217;t do such a disgraceful thing.&#8217; But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, &#8216;Get up; let&#8217;s go.&#8217; But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home. When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel.&#8221; Judges 19:22-29 </p>
<p>We must be pure like the word, stay in it where it for there are only pure and righteous imagery in the Bible. How about we get off of our hypocritical high horses and take a look at the Book we read from everyday before posting ignorance on forums about how Holy we are. </p>
<p>The Bible has in your face sex, sexual imagery violence, gore and everything else. And the over all message: &#8220;God love us.&#8221; Question, how many of you are running to get your Bibles because you think I made these scriptures up (because you only read the scripture you like anyway). Or how many are struggling with this suddenly though it&#8217;s right there in the Word of God. Wake up.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<author>Angela</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a newsletter reader:

I just wanted to thank &lt;a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/article_info.php?articles_id=5785" rel="nofollow"&gt;Lynne Thompson&lt;/a&gt; for her terrifically positive review of House. I am a long time fan of both Ted and Frank, and recently I've been frustrated by several Christian organizations that have been ripping House to shreds. It was extremely refreshing and encouraging to read a Christian review that caught the vision and applauded the film. Thank you so much for helping to promote this amazing movie!

God bless you!

Caitlyn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a newsletter reader:</p>
<p>I just wanted to thank <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/article_info.php?articles_id=5785" rel="nofollow">Lynne Thompson</a> for her terrifically positive review of House. I am a long time fan of both Ted and Frank, and recently I&#8217;ve been frustrated by several Christian organizations that have been ripping House to shreds. It was extremely refreshing and encouraging to read a Christian review that caught the vision and applauded the film. Thank you so much for helping to promote this amazing movie!</p>
<p>God bless you!</p>
<p>Caitlyn</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie I T Assih</title>
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		<author>Leslie I T Assih</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard a quote a while ago which was "in giving the answers we sometimes forget the problem we were trying to solve in the first place". I think that it is fair to say Jesus used parables to make people rethink what they were familiar with but had no understanding of and in essence lost the application of living for God while here on this planet. I don't think we need to explain everything in our movies just to show that we are Christians but rather just make wise entertaining films (be wise as serpents) that will leave the viewer thinking about certain things they may have not considered important but really were important when done properly like family, lifestyle etc. Horror is an excellent film media to show the terrible consequences of evil and that it can be resisted when we change certain things in our life. House may not have done tremendous financial figures but that does not mean it is a failure by a longshot. We as Christians should and can get past just valuing success on purely monetary terms (it does help but there are other areas of measure as well).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard a quote a while ago which was &#8220;in giving the answers we sometimes forget the problem we were trying to solve in the first place&#8221;. I think that it is fair to say Jesus used parables to make people rethink what they were familiar with but had no understanding of and in essence lost the application of living for God while here on this planet. I don&#8217;t think we need to explain everything in our movies just to show that we are Christians but rather just make wise entertaining films (be wise as serpents) that will leave the viewer thinking about certain things they may have not considered important but really were important when done properly like family, lifestyle etc. Horror is an excellent film media to show the terrible consequences of evil and that it can be resisted when we change certain things in our life. House may not have done tremendous financial figures but that does not mean it is a failure by a longshot. We as Christians should and can get past just valuing success on purely monetary terms (it does help but there are other areas of measure as well).</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Miller</title>
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		<author>Chris Miller</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Christians expect too much of their films.  Films can be a misistry but it doesn't mean they have to reap the harvest.  Why can't they plant the seeds?  I've talked with several people after seeing this film and they all had questions about sin and Hell and eternal damnation for the things they've done, but not in fear but more as, "is there a price to pay for the wrong things I've done?"  It's amazing how that opens doors.  I told them to go to church, read the bible, talk to their local pastor on further details and if they want me to explain more I would.  A movie as dark as this is opening doors to 19-21 year old kids.  

I've already have said that people need to stop with the old way of doing things because the new generation that's here and that Hollywood is reaching is not as easily acceptable.  Having the salvation of Jesus described and giving the sinner's prayer on film won't reach today's new generation because they can see it coming a mile away and it puts them in a difficult situation and they'll ALWAYS opt for the easy way out...the way they've been living and they'll never look back.
The Chronicals of Narnia puts the sacrifice of Jesus into a perfect description for young kids by putting the Christ figure as the Lion Aslan.  House does it well by putting the Christ figure as the girl Susan.  She was the light in the darkness that the people couldn't understand...just like what it said in the verse that opened up the movie.  "The light entered the darkness, but the darkness did not understand." John 1:5.  Jesus was that light but the people of Israel didn't understand and they killed him for their lack of understanding...only to bring out that light, that saving grace to and save people from their sins.
House is an alagory of that sacrifice Jesus made.  Just because it doesn't mention Him by name doesn't mean it's bad.  It's okay for Narnia but not okay for House?
C.S. Lewis said that we have to reach today's generation.  That our ministry should be for todays generation.  Fireproof is for an older generation.  A temendous film, but not for the new generation.  They need something that doesn't just appeal to them but also reflects on their own life and the way they see the world.  
I hope someone on here can understand that.  I can understand that they talk over the subject of evil and Satan in this movie but I don't see that as opening a door for evil to come in but knocking down the door with a sledghammer to let light in so people will know the truth.  Is it too much to ask for truth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Christians expect too much of their films.  Films can be a misistry but it doesn&#8217;t mean they have to reap the harvest.  Why can&#8217;t they plant the seeds?  I&#8217;ve talked with several people after seeing this film and they all had questions about sin and Hell and eternal damnation for the things they&#8217;ve done, but not in fear but more as, &#8220;is there a price to pay for the wrong things I&#8217;ve done?&#8221;  It&#8217;s amazing how that opens doors.  I told them to go to church, read the bible, talk to their local pastor on further details and if they want me to explain more I would.  A movie as dark as this is opening doors to 19-21 year old kids.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve already have said that people need to stop with the old way of doing things because the new generation that&#8217;s here and that Hollywood is reaching is not as easily acceptable.  Having the salvation of Jesus described and giving the sinner&#8217;s prayer on film won&#8217;t reach today&#8217;s new generation because they can see it coming a mile away and it puts them in a difficult situation and they&#8217;ll ALWAYS opt for the easy way out&#8230;the way they&#8217;ve been living and they&#8217;ll never look back.<br />
The Chronicals of Narnia puts the sacrifice of Jesus into a perfect description for young kids by putting the Christ figure as the Lion Aslan.  House does it well by putting the Christ figure as the girl Susan.  She was the light in the darkness that the people couldn&#8217;t understand&#8230;just like what it said in the verse that opened up the movie.  &#8220;The light entered the darkness, but the darkness did not understand.&#8221; John 1:5.  Jesus was that light but the people of Israel didn&#8217;t understand and they killed him for their lack of understanding&#8230;only to bring out that light, that saving grace to and save people from their sins.<br />
House is an alagory of that sacrifice Jesus made.  Just because it doesn&#8217;t mention Him by name doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s bad.  It&#8217;s okay for Narnia but not okay for House?<br />
C.S. Lewis said that we have to reach today&#8217;s generation.  That our ministry should be for todays generation.  Fireproof is for an older generation.  A temendous film, but not for the new generation.  They need something that doesn&#8217;t just appeal to them but also reflects on their own life and the way they see the world.<br />
I hope someone on here can understand that.  I can understand that they talk over the subject of evil and Satan in this movie but I don&#8217;t see that as opening a door for evil to come in but knocking down the door with a sledghammer to let light in so people will know the truth.  Is it too much to ask for truth?</p>
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		<title>By: Angela Walker</title>
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		<author>Angela Walker</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Dea Woods on another post:

I don’t normally dialog or share my comments on sites because of the Controversy it often creates. However, this subject draws near to my heart because my entire ministry was created to show Christian movies in local parks and other public venues throughout the US.

I try to be careful not to judge anyone who may not believe as I do. But I think there is a fine line we cross when we explore the Devils territory.

Without going into a lot of detail. I strongly believe we can open demonic doors and give the enemy rights to our home, kids, family members ect … when we begin to think there is nothing wrong with entertaining ourselves with scary movies.

I believe when we bring certain material in our homes. It is a
open invitation to the forces behind the project. If God and his angles have inspired the project, than all is well. But for the most part when people see scary movies, they are filled with fear. But the Word of God says He has not given us a spirit of fear. So where is that fear coming from?

I think we as Christians should be protective of our mind, spirit, and souls. This Applies to movies and music.

The enemy is very crafty in finding people to do his bidding, and that doesn’t exclude some Christians.

Food for thought
Dea</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Dea Woods on another post:</p>
<p>I don’t normally dialog or share my comments on sites because of the Controversy it often creates. However, this subject draws near to my heart because my entire ministry was created to show Christian movies in local parks and other public venues throughout the US.</p>
<p>I try to be careful not to judge anyone who may not believe as I do. But I think there is a fine line we cross when we explore the Devils territory.</p>
<p>Without going into a lot of detail. I strongly believe we can open demonic doors and give the enemy rights to our home, kids, family members ect … when we begin to think there is nothing wrong with entertaining ourselves with scary movies.</p>
<p>I believe when we bring certain material in our homes. It is a<br />
open invitation to the forces behind the project. If God and his angles have inspired the project, than all is well. But for the most part when people see scary movies, they are filled with fear. But the Word of God says He has not given us a spirit of fear. So where is that fear coming from?</p>
<p>I think we as Christians should be protective of our mind, spirit, and souls. This Applies to movies and music.</p>
<p>The enemy is very crafty in finding people to do his bidding, and that doesn’t exclude some Christians.</p>
<p>Food for thought<br />
Dea</p>
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